The climate crisis! That’s a dour topic, isn’t it? Today we’re joined by Matteo Menapace and Matt Leacock to discuss Daybreak, their board game about world governments coming together to combat climate change. Along the way we discuss cardboard incentives, producing board games without plastic, and why optimism is necessary when thinking about big problems.

Listen here or download here. Timestamps can be found after the jump.

TIMESTAMPS

1:47 — introducing Daybreak
5:51 — lessons from designing Pandemic?
10:56 — a systemic rather individual focus
14:53 — four factions: USA, China, Europe, Majority World
18:11 — geography vs. abstraction
23:34 — cooperative vs. semi-cooperative
26:27 — emotions, incentives, and messaging
39:37 — pruning down the prototype
46:25 — the card system
52:49 — writing an effective rulebook
57:20 — producing Daybreak without plastics or textiles
59:44 — oil industry sabotage
1:08:40 — the reception

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